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While looking for images for an utterly unrelated topic, I came across photos of that tomb that has been bugging me since 2008. (Illustrated in Polski Ubior as a sideless surcote and ruffled veil.)

It turns out it isn't Elizabeth of Brandenburg at all, but Anna Cieszyńska (ca. 1324-1367), but at least I had Legnica Cathedral as the correct location.


Here are some photos and drawings:

https://polskaniezwykla.pl/web/gallery/photo,277712.html

https://polskaniezwykla.pl/web/gallery/photo,277713.html (With information plaque)

A black-and-white photograph from above, by I. Panic http://www.cieszyn.pl/?p=categoriesShow&iCategory=226
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A very sneaky person let me look at her books, and I think I like 15-16th century German stuff (at least, I think that's the sort of thing this lady in the Behem codex is wearing. (More scans here).

I'll ask a very big favour of my readers: I don't really want to be spoon-fed all the answers on how to make a dress like that, but I would like to know if it is similar to any other, more commonly re-created styles, and (because I have a poor sense of fashion) if those fantastic fur capelet/goller things could be worn with this sort of style? Hopefully if someone is kind enough to point me in the right direction, I can figure it out from there?

I've been like this all weekend... I know I'm over-excited and inarticulate like nobody's business. So let me know if I'm making no sense at all!
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From Fibres and Textiles in Eastern Europe 5 - 6/2007
M. Cybulska, J. Maik "Archaeological Textiles – A Need for New Methods of Analysis and Reconstruction"
http://www.fibtex.lodz.pl/64_51_185.pdf

I'm sure there are more, but I'm technically taking notes during an oral presentation right now...

Edit: looked at 2008-2005
Some Aspects of Textile Drape
The Peculiarities of the Ornamentation of Lithuanian Traditional Woven Textiles
The Arrases of Wawel, the Polish Royal Castle in Krakow (16thc. Tapestry)
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I can't read a word of Polish, or at least that's what I tell myself. But pictures can speak 1,000 words in any language.

Lots of exciting photos and drawings of textiles. Byzantine and Scandinavian by the looks.

This is very cool, it's decorations, like naalbinding as a decorative finish for a pouch, and embroidery from the reliquary of St. Ludmilia that looks similar to a Prussian example.

This led to an interesting masters' thesis; Fragment från det förflutna: En analys av ovala spännbucklor från Uppåkra by Jonas Widler.
Has a diagram taken from Bau about the different layers of womans dress too.

and then, I found...Read more... )
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What if the surcote on Elisabeth of Brandenburg's tomb is really a girl version of the two-colour grande assiette sleeves?

It would help if I could lay my hands on a better quality photo too.

Edit: Still haven't found the tomb I'm looking for, but have found some other cool things.

A photo from inside a cathedral in Legnica
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/2045658726/
Children with ruffs, can't see any date
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/397636266/in/set-72157594467519461/
A child from 1608 maybe?
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/502590022/in/set-72157594467519461/
A woman in a ruff
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/464059276/in/set-72157594467519461/
Undated women, look 17th century or later to me
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/1734794769/in/set-72157594467519461/
St. Martin
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/762889068/in/set-72157594467519461/
A 14th century female patron or donor perhaps?
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/2069473062/sizes/o/in/set-72157594467519461/
Tympanum?
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/2073313519/in/set-72157594467519461/
Momento Mori
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/160033795/in/set-72157594467519461/
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/747896289/in/set-72157594467519461/
http://flickr.com/photos/bikeart/2009439941/

Edit A useless photo to look at, but at least confirms I have the right details.
This is a lot cooler to look at, but doesn't help with the tomb artwork.
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The gorgeous V-necked gown worn by one of the mighty Livonian ladies, might be based on this Polish statue of Anna (?)

Polski Ubior suggests it's a surcote http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/polish_costume_polski_ubior15.htm (The book isn't much more helpful since my Polish is bad. A line drawing is here.)

Edit: According to this website abour Legnic Cathedral, she's Elizabeth of Brandenburg.

Here is a bad photo of the Anna statue, I don't quite see the surcote part happening.

Anyone know of any better photos? (I can't get the website of the cathedral she's from to load.)

Some generic medieval clothing.

Polish website of reconstructed dresses, including a fantastic-looking one from the Behem codex. She has other Polish gowns here, including a few I think [livejournal.com profile] luscious_purple had found in portraits.

Edit, again: The 1630 drawing of the battle of Legnica has at least one headless peasant wearing clothes.


Edit in 2013!: Correct identification of "Elizabeth of Brandenburg" is really Anna Cieszyńska. See: http://pearl.dreamwidth.org/466500.html
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I know I've mentioned the 19th century Vecellio images before, but I couldn't figure out if I'd ever linked to them, all at once.

From Costumes anciens et modernes : habiti antichi e moderni di tutto il mondo. (Paris : Firmin Didot, 1859-1860.) Vecellio, Cesare (ca. 1521-1601), author.
Plates from the New York Public Library

16th century Lithuanian woman
A Bride of Danzig
A 16th century Russian Matron
Lady from Moscow
Polish woman
A Bride of Northern Europe
Lapland or Gorland woman (It's a mystery bucket lady!)
A Woman in Scandinavian Dress
A Swedish Woman
Woman of Gotland
Christian woman of Arctic Norway
Woman of the Polar Regions
Young woman, Silesia, 16th century
Slavic Woman
Woman of Yugoslavia

A Man of Northern Europe.
A Polish Noble
A Merchant of Prussia
Man of Scriffinia, between Biarmia and Finmarck
There are more, but I only got to page 14 before I got bored. Sorry.

On another artist, Abraham de Bruyn (who had the pretty costume book with all of the Lithuanian women lined up) also drew some Poles and Lithuanians on horseback.
Diversarum gentium armatura equestris. Ubi fere Europae, Asiae atque Africae equitandi ratio propria ewpressa est., not too sure of the date.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/scripts/Notice.php?O=02000007

(I'm pretty sure it's before Vecellio though, notice the similarities between these two Russian soldiers?

The ultimate aim is to make a big chart with lots of interconnecting lines back to different sources of re-drawings. Oh, and see where the descriptions change between publications. (Not all of them, a lot of the non-Baltic ones are there because they're often glossed as Lithuanian, or for comparison.)
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The Behem codex is early 16th century.

Here are some late 15/early 16th German images (and reconstructions):


What made me think 'Italian' when I first started looking at the Letnik, was the late 15th century Florentine high-waisted dresses. Looking at some of those images again, I'm certainly seeing more German influence than Italian. The V-neck of the Florentine look is actually from an overgown, instead of being the undergown (like what I think is happening with the Polish dresses). The German, however, seems to have a dress with chemise (instead of underdress) showing.

This is pretty interesting, and fun. Late period (at the moment, before I've started sewing) doesn't look any scarier than modern sewing, so I feel a lot more confident about this.
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I *knew* there was a reason that the Behem codex images looked German to me -- they are similar to the Mary of Hapsburg gown (more here). See how they have the showy chemise and low-cut bodice?

There are some tiles from Lietuvos Pilys that have a similar style of gown. (They also have people being hunted and cooked by rabbits... which I've always wanted colour photos of because they're fully-dressed humans.)

Can't find the tiles that I have photos (and I think line drawings of) in the archaeological report books at home. Or I haven't noticed them online.)
Here are some selected cool tiles anyway:
tall headwear
a handsome guy, and another one.
St. George?
Vytis!

For those tile-obsessed individuals, to look at all of the tiles online, go here, select 'finds', then 'kokliai'. For those who like their pottery to be more practical, instead choose 'Keramika'.
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Some more images from the Codex:


  • A very German-ish looking woman, in black and white and colour.

  • More women with the keyhole-neckline shifts(?): 1, 2, 3 (a white undergown, and a sheer chemise?), 4

  • Different sleeve styles: 1, 2, 3, 4

  • Turbans and Veils

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I'm looking at Italian stuff for the midwinter ball, and keep on feeling overwhelmed.
I think I might go for an Italian-influenced Polish letnik, since it is at least something I might wear at more than just one event.

Can anyone give any advice about how to do later-period stuff?

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